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Started by oldschool, March 03, 2011, 10:09:37 PM

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oldschool

#465
April 20, 2014, 08:44:21 PM

Avenger414

#466
April 21, 2014, 08:23:56 AM
yes i already called him but we are in agrement if we arrange i will buy it too

Paddy75

#467
April 21, 2014, 10:54:01 PM Last Edit: April 21, 2014, 11:09:38 PM by Paddy75
The Tahiti blue Avenger in Malta is a bargain for you Avenger414 I see it has the very early stripes on top of the wing and up around the vents, its a DL spec by the pattern of its seats and the dashboard. Your first is a Super with the door pockets and the silver insert on the dashboard.

The Avenger was launched in Malta in early 1970 with the pictures in the launch brochures taken in Malta. Maybe you know where these places are?
Hehe note the big crossply tyres on this!






2-door MK1 Avengers are a scary price, this went for ?3,000!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PROPER-BARN-FIND-HILLMAN-AVENGER-2DOOR-NO-SUNROOF-1300-DELUXE-ORIGINAL-CAR-/321361301586?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item4ad2a05052

Right, I'm going to get a MK2 2-door started, should have been running again on Saturday but a cracked fuel pipe halted progress, damn Christine!

Oh there is that wee woman standing at the rear of the Super again. There you are lads! If you are good and go to heaven!
Abroad and thinkin' of avenger

Avenger414

#468
April 22, 2014, 08:27:50 AM
yes i am trying to make a deal with the owner even i haven't started the first 1 i bought but if we agree i buy it anyway

oldschool

#470
April 26, 2014, 11:12:57 AM Last Edit: April 26, 2014, 11:15:59 AM by oldschool
The 1250/1300 Avengers had a good motor, just let down by low gearing affecting economy.
I don't know about the UK in the 1970's but in NZ the speed limit was 80 km/h because of the oil shocks, so car manufacturers had no reason to fit 5 speeds or higher ratio diffs in 'family' cars.
Autos were even worse than manuals with their 5 to 10% slippage!
When I was an apprentice mechanic my boss had an Austin 1300 auto for his missus to run around in and he complained she was only getting 25 mpg...the woman didn't know how to drive!
So he used it for a while and managed to get 26 mpg...LOL
My Mini 1000 manual would easily get 50 mpg on an economy run by leaning out the carby!

Paddy75

#471
April 26, 2014, 10:27:43 PM
They did that in Belgium and Netherlands (trying to resist 'Zeeland' jokes here!) during the oil shock where the motorways were restricted to 80kph as you say. For a while here petrol was rationed and to get more petrol anybody with an old Ferguson TE20 TVO tractor taxed the old Fergie to get more coupons, probably why so many of the wee grey Fergies escaped the scrap-yard. Often you'd see a Fergie with a 1974 tax disc still on it ten years later.

You are right about leaning off the HS4 on a Mini, that was an old trick many people did. Funnily enough I got a guys Mini started for him recently, some genius had reversed the polarity of the coil which confused everyone - there is spark when I put a screwdriver over the points but when cranking how come the spark is so weak? What the hell!!!
I noticed the piston in the Mini carburettor seems to rise more than on the Avenger, probably the spring but its a red (light, 4oz) spring in the Avenger HS4C as well, oh well! Could be driven mad playing with them!

Anyhow, there was an economy carburettor listed for the MK1 Avenger. The Stromberg CD3 tag number 3607, B5DK needle with a Blue spring (Blue is the light spring on a Stromberg, Red the heavy and Natural the standard, with SU Red is light then Blue then Green heavier.) 3607 Same spec for both the 1300 and 1600 and there was this very carburettor listed on Ebay a while back showing the rod-link connector of course.

Oh hey, here is the listing found in the Pitmans OWM, this refers to the MK1:

CD3 Stromberg CD150.
1300 std, 3625 B5DM/Natural
1300 & 1600 econ, 3607 B5DK/Blue
1500 std, 3377,3609 & 3635 B6BJ/Red
1500 econ, B5CD/Blue
1600 std, 3625 B5DM/Natural

175CD
1300 high performance, B1EB/No spring
1600 high performance, B1EC/No spring

SU HS4C
1300 & 1600, ABR/Yellow
However for Series 5 the 1300 with the SU had ACA/Red as on mine. Tempted to fit the ABR/Yellow to se what happens but it will torture me!

Then the MK2 got a milder cam so the specs changed again (I guess) but for the first year of Chrysler Avenger the throttle linkage was still rod and not yet cable operated so you have things like this out there:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HILLMAN-AVENGER-1600cc-1976-77-RECONDITIONED-CARBURETTOR-ZENITH-STROMBERG-150CD3-/121322402881?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1c3f60f441

?150?!! Hah! Good luck with that!
Seems to be confusion about with Series 7 and Series 8. Some call all MK2's S7 but wasn't until S8 the Ave got the longer TCA's - as per Sunbeam. Careful now when ordering suspension parts!




Abroad and thinkin' of avenger

Paddy75

#472
May 02, 2014, 01:25:57 AM
Abroad and thinkin' of avenger

Paddy75

#473
May 12, 2014, 06:32:37 AM Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 06:40:48 AM by Paddy75
Tempted, this could be a wee bargain have spoken to a guy about going halfers on a MK2 and this one looks like the rust is showing that it was made with a good batch of steel.
1300 means cheap tax and this is a Series 7 short TCA's and rod-linked throttle as per the MK1.
Respray in Carrib or Tahiti blue to go with the vellum interior? 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chrysler-Avenger-Hillman-Avenger-/271482038440?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3f359728a8&clk_rvr_id=632102747355

Yep that's a Series 7, no ballast or electronic module. I guess the brake booster means its disc braked!

A 1300DL I reckon.

Abroad and thinkin' of avenger

oldschool

#474
May 12, 2014, 06:17:03 PM Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 07:24:13 PM by oldschool
That's the 'poverty spec' Chrysler model...basic instruments, no console, no door pockets and no armrests in the rear...plus it's got Hillman rod accelerator linkage, points ignition, a narrow track and probably a Hillman diff ratio...hardly a good score...apart from the boosted disc brakes I guess!?
A later 1600 Chrysler would be much better Paddy. 

Paddy75

#475
May 13, 2014, 07:12:04 AM Last Edit: May 13, 2014, 07:20:21 AM by Paddy75
You are right but the price of half-decent Avengers are starting to rocket and it being a 1300 means ?130 to tax for the full year - who the heck in a shiny cap knows whats the difference between SB and LB these days?!
I'd guess its a 3.9 diff from what I've found about the progression of diff ratios and I see the rally 2-door I've been doing a bit to was born a 1300 with a 3.7. That could have been because its a 1981 2-door Avenger which apparently had to be special ordered as the 2-door after the end of 1978 or so was only sent to dealers without a buyer in the Scandanavian countries - so they had the taller European gearing.

Remember the 1976 MK1 1300DL 2-door barn find with the rotten headlights? It bid to ?3,000 and probably the buyer got a good few hundred on top of that. That 1300 DID have drum brakes! 3k+ for a set of drum brakes, damn but I remember climbing over a solid MK1 2-door the same colour as mine in a junkyard about 1990!

I think the flattering articles in Fast Ford magazine about Sunbeams and Avengers are waking up that terrible monster, Escort nuts! (...uuuhhh the Avenger had an atlas type axle as standard?...Whats that about that indestructible engine they had?...)

Yes Oldschool you are right, a 1600 is the business as are the better seats but try to get a decent Avenger with low miles for under ?1,000 in the UK or even more expensive Ireland. As for the naked looking bumpers well you don't have the rubber strip cracking or crazing. Besides the guy I'm trying to go half with me with it, possibly, has a set of MK2 bumpers!

?800 or walk I reckon. I wouldn't modify a MK1 Hillman further than electronic points conversion but a MK2 Chrysler/Talbot particularly because of their roof bars I would take further, very likely add an Isuzu 1.7TD.

Abroad and thinkin' of avenger

oldschool

#476
May 13, 2014, 10:30:55 AM
I think the Hillmans have roof bars too Paddy. If you push up on the roof lining stitching it's solid indicating there's a bar there.
If you push down on the roof directly above that...it's springy, so the bar doesn't extend to the roof skin.
Both my Chrysler and Hillman do that and there maybe 3 bars...would need to remove the roof lining to check for sure.
A Hillman will always be valued at double a Chrysler, so worth upgrades like electronic ignition, wide track, disc brakes and a Chrysler diff to make them a bit more modern, while still looking standard.

NZTiger

#477
May 14, 2014, 08:51:11 PM
Their are no roof bar in Avengers, what you are feeling are the Headlining bows, they are 3/16"? spring steel rods that fit into a pocket sewn on the top of the Headlining and hold the headlining up...

Paddy75

#478
May 14, 2014, 11:02:43 PM
A rally car builder told me the MK2 had roof bars but maybe he was thinking of a Sunbeam.
As for the early MK2 the buddy spoke to the seller and he is after ?1,000 for it which is a bit on the steep side. Then transporting, filling, colour change respray it would become a ?1,500 spend before you know it. The 1300cc on the tax book is whats making people interested. Also a bad time of year to be a buyer.
The search is on for a shell, enquiries are being put about.

Going to O'Kanes on Sunday for a meet which I'm looking forward to and I've finally got the carburation right (jet I got off Ebay is a 1974 spec, longer than the one I replaced correct needle and spring to match the jet and no flatting on the hills at light throttle.) Gonna stick with the SU because the engine feels more torquey probably due to the smaller throat the SU has.
If any of you guys are running on an SU HS4C and are looking to rebuild the carbie, go with the pre-emissions 1974 spec'. ABR needle and Yellow spring. This is a heavy spring for a 1300 capacity so the tuning method is slightly different than usual. Fast idle for five minutes, rev for 2,500 for 30 secs allow to idle and lean off until the idle drops, then just back to regain the correct speed.

All four plugs are tan and tan/slight black if left to idle. That was a saga!
Abroad and thinkin' of avenger

oldschool

#479
May 21, 2014, 04:51:00 PM
Hey Paddy...here's a 1.6GL for you...selling cheap on eBay...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/classic-avenger-/321410252089?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item4ad58b3d39
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