Avengers for sale around the world...

[Paddy75]

According to ASOC it was bought un-registred 5-6 years ago and has since been full body stripped, primed and resprayed.
It was originally electric metallic blue with vellium interior. One bid at ?5,000 already and likely that'll rise. A restored 2-door GT went for around ?6,500 last year so a museum type Avenger, 8k+?

As far as I know it would have front discs and no anti-roll/sway bar. They all started out with disc/drum, the rear drums being Girling automatic adjusted.
A genny as you say was standard fitment unless you ordered factory fitted Triplex Hotline rear window. The ACR alternator was standard fitment on the post 10/73 1300/1600 upgrade, likewise the pre-engaged starter. You can hear, for example, the Avenger wagon used in Life on Mars has an inertia reel/bendix drive by the sound of it starting.
As far as I can tell some time in 1972 the fan blades became plastic, I guess as they replaced the (better) Stromberg CDS with the CD3 at the same time.

Likely what'll happen is that someone will spend massive money buying that 1250DL and perhaps need to sell their other Avenger.
For me thats where it gets intresting.

The roads around here are not for driving a museum piece around, that is for sure! With that in mind I'm gonna replace me front ditch side (of course) suspension arm today. Hills are one thing, pot holes on barely sealed 'roads' are another.

See the cross-ply shoes on the Avenger for sale!

[Paddy75]

Some goss from ASOC, the unregistred Avenger getting the full treatement.

http://www.surfaceprocessing.co.uk/paint-stripping-hillman.html

[Pitcombe]

I remember when this was offered for sale originally, bidding stopped at about ?3250 and was not sold. (By all accounts it was sold for ?3500) We then heard a couple of weeks later that it was being offered for sale for over ?7000 by somebody completely different. A couple of months later it turned up on Ebay again, but had been properly prepared and was offered by a very reputable dealer (called the doctor) who only deals in very low mileage cars. I think it sold for about ?7000. Looking at the standard of preparation and the quality re-spray this car has had it must stand the current owner about ?12000 and that's if he has done all the stripping and rebuild himself.
I thought about buying the car myself when it was first on offer, but decided that it could be a nightmare to get running reliably as almost everything rubber on the car would be perished, and the problems of registering a 1970 car in 2007 would have been immence. (Technically all cars registered in the UK after 1993 had to have a catalitic convertor fitted without exception) At the time most of us thought the car should have gone to a museum and been displayed as it was, still covered in wax with all the stickers left on the windows. When the car was cleaned up, it was found that 37 years of was had reacted with the paint and thus why it has been re-sprayed.
It is a lovely car, but if it does somehow get registered and then used, it will lose its uniqueness and value, as it will become just another very low mileage classic, and one that can no longer be described as original.

[Paddy75]

Thank you Pitcome.
So any buyer could not register that Avenger? As you say since 1993 all spark ignited cars had to have a catalyst - even though lean burn was nearly perfected, but anyhow damn EU! Cats suited German industry so... -
I'd have thought the DVLA would go by the year of manufacture.
I suppose if they were a bit more human there would be built from new panels Escorts and Minors being passed off.
So that would also mean the 1250DL would not be tax exempt and any insurer would want a pretty serious Engineers report.

So that Avenger will need another respray, as the only (unfortunatly) parctical way to register it would be to switch the identity of a rotten old MK1 Avenger and say it was heavily restored.
That gets into the area of fraud but ...

A way to, I have heard, well lets just say the 'DVLA' is not the only 'Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency' in the UK. (Requires a ferry trip)

[oldschool]

Yes I think the same thing applied to that 'new' Mk5 Cortina sold in 2007 that had been sitting on the dealers floor since 1982...can't be 'legally' registered because of modern crash test and emission laws...so off to the museum!!

[Paddy75]

Oh hey a car can pass its test with a lump of metal stamped with the chassis number because the slam panel was replaced due to a crash. My Father had a damage repaired diesel Sierra that got turned down because there was no VIN plate, a neighbour just made one with a set of letter stamps, 'W' bang, 'F' bang, 'O' bang, VIN starting WFO on a Ford means made in Belgium or Germany. This makes for a big diffrence in the quality and rust treatment of the steel.

The real crime was the way Ford and GM spent a lot less money on the materials and general build quality of their cars and vans that were made in England compared with their German made cars.
To the point where a Ford dealer around here would not sell a made in England or Spain car!

So to put that Avenger on the road means 'ringing' the car. Or are there people who will give eight-ten grand to look at a museum piece in their garage? Serial-killers!

As far as an Avenger goes there maybe one possibility, the Iranian Pekayan has an Avenger engine modified to meet modern emission regulations. Wether this includes a twatalyst, I don't know.

Then the next thing would be fog lights, rear seat-belts and are airbags required to register a new car in the EU? Probabbly!
Nah, set of letter stamps would be easier!

One heck of a donor car at the very least! The next 4-door Avenger to get written off likely will have an afterlife! ''..I changed the colour...''

[Paddy75]

And back down to earth with a 1980 Talbot wagon with the 'shooting-break' roof rails. Apparently in the last year and a half of manufacture the GLS was only in wagon form.
Into Talbotization, the true GLS got dropped. I still don't know if the MK2 GLS had the 1.75'' CD like the oct'75 on MK1 where TC was replaced woth 'High Performance' single setup.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Talbot-Avenger-/171030160402?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item27d2312412

Seats and trim look more like an LS than a GLS. Maybe the lower gearing of the wagons was as the 4-door GLS.
I see Davids 1979 1.6 LS is at 3.54:1 going by the code, GLS was at 3.7:1 I guess.

[Paddy75]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hillman-AVENGER-TIGER-/290907982453?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item43bb778a75

?10,500 with 15 bids. A Ti engine with a few further mods fitted. A honest resto job I suppose.

I got a LM/MW Ford pushbutton radio (six buttons) and fitted it. I forgot how crap AM is in a car, fade, ignition noise and whine. Mind you I've only using an old wiperblade strip taped to the windshield as the antenna, the trim adjustment is fully home!
I see there is an issue with fitting radios on the round clocks dashboard. The panel with the radio hole is made only for the 1970's Chrysler 5 button radio.
The Ford/Blaupunkt radio is just a little too wide in the frame and without cutting the panel - that is not going to happen BTW - the only way to get the panel over the radio is to remove the radios front window/scale thing so I have a radio with the needle exposed.
The rear of the thing is bolted to the top of the ashtray frame with a bracket, so no danger of cracking the dashboard panel, which is the main thing.

I think I'll get sick of that radio soon enough! Maybe look around for a FM spindle/pushbutton radio instead.

[Paddy75]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SINGER-VOGUE-1967-BARN-FIND-42000-MILES-HILLMAN-HUNTER-/171036663138?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item27d2945d62

In vogue hunter, did they have the overdrive?
Badge engineering at the extreme! The even more expensive Hunter was the Humber Sceptre and the cheapest Hunter (1500cc CI head) was the Hillman Minx.
Chrysler had enough of all the diffrent names Rootes were using and replaced the (Hunter) Minx with the Hunter DL in 1970, I guess at the same time as Rootes Group was officially re-mamed Chrysler UK.
I seen a Singer Vogue in SuperMinx form yesterday, very Jim Reeves! The Singer Gazelle was the expensive wee Minx.
If it had an overdrive stick a Singer badge on it. If it had leather seats stick a Humber badge on it and if it had twin carbies stick a Sunbeam badge on it. Also any colour you wanted, except common as muck black!

[Paddy75]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TALBOT-SUNBEAM-TRIO-A-ONCE-IN-A-LIFETIME-OPPORTUNITY-/261212473716?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3cd17a0974

A Sunbeam Trio, the best fun you can have in a 1300! For sale by an ASOC member @?4k.

[Paddy75]

http://knoxville.craigslist.org/cto/3773127090.html

A long time forgotton Cricket.

[JoKer]

sheet  : almost be worth importing for LHD lushness

[Paddy75]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ginetta-G15-998cc-Carter-engine-Hillman-Imp-Clan-Davrian-/151044294172?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item232af1061c

One of the kit cars you could buy and fit Imp runnings onto. Looks well apart from those door handles!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hillman-imp-husky-/181138866951?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2a2cb7c307

An Imp in people carrier form! There was a van version of those that nearly won a contract from the GPO and the Bedford HA van got the contract instead because the Imp was thought to be too fast! This guy likes his Imps I see, fair play to him.

The yellow Avenger barge is dropping in price, thats a S7 I think, which means points and a rod link throttle still.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1976-CHRYSLER-AVENGER-ESTATE-1300-SUPER-1-OWNER-46500-MILES-GENUINE-ORIGINAL-/261210809176?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3cd160a358

A Chrysler 300C, looks a mean bit of Detroit metalwork!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chrysler-300C-Crd-PETROL-MANUAL-2008-D-/310667691936?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item48553cc7a0

From the Simca side of the house a Chrysler Alpine with the grey bumpers. Looks like a nice one. The bag of marbles gearbox, a lot of people still went for the Hunter! The seller likes Guinness!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1979-Chrysler-Alpine-One-Owner-SOLD-subject-to-Cheque-Clearance-/171035513233?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item27d282d191

An early Hunter GT, looks like a real good one. These were not called a Hunter, just the 'Hillman GT'

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1970-HILLMAN-HUNTER-GT-1724cc-OUTSTANDING-EXAMPLE-THE-BEST-AVAILABLE-/161027849900?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item257e01feac

''..this car is far superior to drive than a Cortina 1600E...'' Yerh butbutbut its not a Ford!

That Tiger2 again unless I won the Lotto is gonna have to drop a bit yet.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hillman-AVENGER-TIGER-/290912501446?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item43bbbc7ec6

Right so and today I seen a 2-door Avenger forestery prepped. Front end is MK1 panels with a round badge square headlight grille, rear is the MK2 lights and inside is a dasboard from an early GT/GLS. Delco clocks with 120mph speedo and a blue fiddle badge.
Has the roll cage, great suspension, prepped engine with quad 45's. A Ford 4 speed 'box, this can be used for historic as the were used at the time.
What is history however in the inner sills, rotten.
The rally Avenger is not starting. Methinks the points coil when used with the Chrysler electronic unit and the Bosch dizzy might be a problemo. I know the mechanic so I'll try tomorrow to see if we can get it going.
In fact I'll take a points dizzy with me. I see there is a starting circuit, two resistors in the ballast block, one of which should feed when the starter is operated.

This is of course not in any way an excuse to get driving a rally prepped Avenger, oh no not at all!

(..any sign of the Fuzz, no? Ballygrand! Vrooooomm..)

[Paddy75]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chrysler-Avenger-16GL-1979-/151047859868

A bright blue '79 GL. Looks like a new carbie fitted and the dizzy looks to be a points type, I've a feeling I know what the owner was learning!

[oldschool]

Looks nice Paddy...even has a hubcap on the spare...now that's class...lol
For once it's great to see a Chrysler without the standard headache inducing 1970's seat pattern!
And she's electronic ignition...can see the transistor in the gold coloured bracket on the inner guard by the bonnet hinge.
What's that thing on the guard by the battery...looks like some kind of fusible link/overload cutout?