Avengers for sale around the world...

[oldschool]

WOW that's mint...has a 1.75" HS6 SU on an 1800cc motor...would go well...too bad no 5 speed like the VW Avengers!

[Paddy75]

Kinda makes you wonder, ''..comin' thru with the kinda car America wants...'' Why didn't they import the Polara into the States?

Hmmm, RWD Corolla - or a Polara. Datsun 120Y - or a Polara. Honda Civic - or a Polara.

WTF was wrong with Chrysler management!!!

I assume 17 or 1800cc in lower compression would meet the emissons and give good wearing!
Okok going on about the mis-timing of the Cricket is getting boring!

Like the way the fuel tank is fed from the back panel. The latin dudes know about style alright.

Probabbly loads of Polaras left in Brazil and Argentina.
Taking a MK2 dasboard apart is a real pain - I know it after rebuilding the head for a guys MK2 next it was ''..the wipers are slow..''

Anyhow the Polara-is missile. I must look out for a 4-stud manifold.

[oldschool]

Here's a tidy yellow 1300 Chrylser Wagon on eBay...it won't win any speed contests...needs a black bonnet and a Rover V8!!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1976-CHRYSLER-AVENGER-ESTATE-1300-SUPER-1-OWNER-46500-MILES-GENUINE-ORIGINAL-/261197638988?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3cd097ad4c

[Paddy75]

The DoE/Waterboard yellow Avenger cart-horses! There were a lot of them here, ex-waterboard stock, 1600 as far as I recall.
I see the early MK2's had a more expensive side air vents, the GLS trimmed 1.6LS I ripped the dash outta to get at the wiper unit had just simple flaps on the side vents.
Cleaning up the head, grinding the valves and scraping the oily muck off the pistons has made it a lot sweeter too!
''..For Sale. 1979 Talbot Avenger 1600LS, genuine 75k miles..'' Oh I could believe the mileage was genuine going by what a job taking even the clocks out was!

The epilepsy inducing seat pattern on the early MK2's! I think the S7 was still made in Ryton so it'll likely have the rod throttle and the HS4C feeder.
And hey! 1300cc can blast along rightly! Esp. once you have figured how to set the carbie! Yeh forget that lifting pin bullshit, steep hill 50mph, just richen untill no more flat spots and if when you ease off the boot and you get a wee power blip, you have gone too far rich!
BTW I've learned the 1600 S7 had the SU HS4 with a 12oz (green) dashpot spring which I fitted to the guys '75 1600. I suppose at 1600cc you are on the limit of what a 1.5'' throttle can do.

I'm thinking of the multi spark thing, cheap MTU, MSU whatever that multi-spark thing is called.

The yellow S7 wagon there, looks good, black stuff on the sill could be hiding serious rot, probabbly not, just a tidying up job.
The money is too strong though. I'd say ?2,000 maybe as far as 23 hundred. There is a guy down the road from me with a '72 Imp, its a good one but he is after 38 hundred! Way too much! I told an intrested party to offer 2.5 and go as far as 28.

[oldschool]

Oh yeah, it's got proper eyeball dash vents like Ford uses, not those crappy flap things like my GLS.
Yes you can't look at the seats for too long without getting a headache Paddy and I think you mean MSD unit = Multi Spark Discharge...lol
Mind you to make a Chrysler go any good, they need to be fitted with a Hillman 1600 cam.
When the 1500 motors were expanded to 1600, they all got a hot camshaft similar to the 1500 TC which is the main reason a 1600 SC goes heaps better than a 1500 SC. When the Chrysler 1600 model came out, they reverted to using the original pussy spec 1500 SC camshaft...maybe for emissions and fuel economy?

[Paddy75]

I assume the 1300 Hillman had the wild cam too? Mine seems to be lively and going by how easy it is knock the carbie off tune I assume the cam is therefore hot - but I'm only learning!
The proper 4oz (red) spring, for the 1300, fitted to the SU has made the plugs go an even better shade of grey/brown and #2 plug got blocked with a flake of hard soot so I guess there is carbon coming loose in the combustion chamber.
Gonna rip the head off her next week, I've had a practice on Davids 1600LS, so now for a go at mine.
Tin snips and wire gets the valves off - voodoo mechanics!

Changed my front wheel bearings today, handy enough done and I see good old Irish crappy roads have eaten a TCA on the action (ditch) side!
Took the hose-pipe to the front drums innards and wiped them dry, adjusted front and rear, the rear on mine are manual adjusted BTW - the Lockheed 'all-drum' system.
Got really nice brakes now, little effort needed to get strong braking. Drums had their advantages, well advantage! The front drum on the Avenger was a lot wider than on Minis, Minors, Anglias and Vivas &c.
Lockheed BF47 drum, I think they were unique to the Avenger then S8 onward went BACK to getting discs as standard on the smaller engine, unbelievable that the 1250 Basic/DL/Super started with discs then Mar'73 on used drums. Same time as the 2-door was launched. Carrying on to the 1300/1600cc upgrade, unless you requested discs. Or if you bought a 1300 GL.
Mind you I got four front struts for nothing because they were for the front drum brake! On these damn roads they will be needed.   

The 1300 estate wagons BTW all had disc as standard.

I think I've a manual that gives the valve timing... Can't find it, no matter.

MSD right! Outch some price on ebay! There is some sort of multi spark thing that fits on the main HT lead I suppose that doesn't really work.

[oldschool]

My manual is unclear on whether the 1300 got a hotter cam too. I know the 1300/1600 got free flow manifolds in the upgrade which by itself would make a big difference in performance. I used to drive the 1300 and 1600 Hillman's back in the 70's when I was a mechanic with the Post Office and they both went really well. Of course the motors look exactly the same and I remember not being sure sometimes if I was driving a 1300 or a 1600, so used to check the boot badge!

[Paddy75]

From what I have read here and on ASOC, if you have a few Avenger engines sitting about the place this is a cheap way to make an Escort eating screamer.

1500 block bored to take 1600 pistons and con-rods, the 1600 con-rod is 10 thou narrower so doesn't grab the crank apparently.
1600 camshaft and 1600 manifolds. Mill 30 thou off the block.
You get a 1530cc short-stroke hot cammed high revving motor. Add a 1.75'' carbie and there you go, or twins, or quads!
The inlet and exhaust ports are already huge on these engines so no need to mess much with the head, apart from double valve springs.
I see too there is a diffrence on MK1 & 2 valve spring caps, the MK1 has a seperate collet seat.

Right I'm gonna annoy the f*** outta me lazy shit Escort nut uncle-in-law, oh I'd bet he knows the above easy way to bash a crossflow.
''..Frank, did ye put a MK1 Avenger camshaft into the Sunbeams BTW?...''

Hahaha - ha - ha -haaaa.

There are a few ASOC guys getting into seriously into hotting up Ave/beam engines. One thread I seen was about a plan to fit a BMW head onto an Avenger block. To make a more reliable BRM engine, 'BBRMW' engine!

[oldschool]

Yeah that's basically Richards engine...likes to rev...will do 65mph...in 2nd!!

[avenga]

From what I have read here and on ASOC, if you have a few Avenger engines sitting about the place this is a cheap way to make an Escort eating screamer.

1500 block bored to take 1600 pistons and con-rods, the 1600 con-rod is 10 thou narrower so doesn't grab the crank apparently.
1600 camshaft and 1600 manifolds. Mill 30 thou off the block.
You get a 1530cc short-stroke hot cammed high revving motor. Add a 1.75'' carbie and there you go, or twins, or quads!
The inlet and exhaust ports are already huge on these engines so no need to mess much with the head, apart from double valve springs.
I see too there is a diffrence on MK1 & 2 valve spring caps, the MK1 has a seperate collet seat.

Yeah that's basically Richards engine...likes to rev...will do 65mph...in 2nd!!

Yup, pretty much what I did to make my little 1500 screamer. Will rev to over 7,000 and will do 40mph in first and 65mph in 2nd. It is a little too quick, hence why I lost my license 

[Paddy75]

Great to hear! Sorry about the licence, lisence, li.. lost the books!

65 in 2nd, sianara 1600 Escort x-flow!
Is it Escorts that are annoyin' or just those that drive them, well most of them.

Here is the Avenger from the deep lagoon.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/classic-cars-hillman-avenger-1600-auto-estate-/200917590417?pt=UK_Magazines&hash=item2ec79f2191

A good blast with the power hose could show a body in better shape than you might first think.
Seems a lot of automatics were brown!
Might have tinted glass.

[Paddy75]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-VINTAGE-SMALL-HILLMAN-AVENGER-CHROME-CAR-NAME-BADGE-/400470429913?pt=UK_Car_Parts_Vehicles_Automobila_ET&hash=item5d3de5d0d9

A wing badge the 1970/1 Avengers had. Trouble is you'd be waiting a long time to find the small Hillman badge that goes with it.

[Paddy75]

ttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chrysler-Talbot-Lotus-Ti-Sunbeam-Rally-Race-Historic-car-less-eng-box-not-escort-/321113334643?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item4ac3d8a373

A S1 Sunbeam ready for a Ti engine and 'box.

The Hella H4 headlamps I see are the same as the MK1 Avenger, just the glass sits further back.

BTW I gave a neighbour, the man who had a few Avengers back in the day, a lift this morning and he reckoned my 1300 mill is going a lot better than the MK2 1977 1300 he had.
He had a 1500GL, and a 1600 MK1 Super then a Triumph Dolomite 1850cc untill it warped its head!

Anyhow he got talked into buying a 1300, I can only guess that the salesman maybe knew the Hillman 1300 was punchy and assumed the Chrysler was the same. The '77 MK2 1300 wouldn't go up the hills very well so he traded it for the '79 1.6 GLS I remember he had all through the 1980's into the early 90's.
Sounds like although the MK2 1300 crt went up to 8.8:1 the milder cam took the punch outta them.

Highly impressed passinger seeing the 1300 Hillman go up a long steep hill in top. Makes you wonder that the higher crt MK2 with the wilder cam would do?
Its a party trick of mine, put a passinger in the Avenger and drive it up a hill!
''..my Viva had to drop into 2nd on this slope...this is a 1300?!!...''

Hmmm I'd love to see what the uncle-in-laws un modified 1980 near spotless 1300 MK2 Escort is like on that hill.
And the Avenger a bigger car too! Awww heartbroken Escort nuts, awwww...

[Paddy75]

Holy f***!!!!

Brand new.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HILLMAN-AVENGER-1250-DL-BRAND-NEW-NEVER-REGISTERED-/181128949485?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2a2c206eed

Going by the wing badge thats a 1970/1 metal fan blades, brand freakin' new!

Where the heck is that lottery win when you need it!

[oldschool]

They don't get any better than that Paddy....it might go to a car museum...will be interesting to see if there's a bidding war?!
It's the basic 1250 model with a genny...will have disc brakes though?
I know the early UK ones weren't boosted, like all our NZ ones were...hills like Ireland here...haha