Chrylser's youd like to own and other random TM finds

[JoKer]

www.trademe.co.nz/a.asp?id=401987967

Challenger : is a local car for me and a guy I know worked on it, gets me barred up hearing it rev

www.trademe.co.nz/a.asp?id=401987967

Plymouth Tudor : Same guy also has one of these think his is a '37, with a V8 in it

[avenga]

whoa double links!! what does it mean!!?!

That Challenger is awesome, bloody cheap also. There has been much chatter about that car over at the MoPar forum.

I have always had a soft spot for Chrysler E bodies (Cudas and Challengers)

[JoKer]

bugger

tudor has expired anyway :/ http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/cars/ford/auction-355920539.htm was link (trying to find google cache link)

here's Chris's



yup cheep cheep challenger!

[oldschool]

Only cheap if you're wallowing in money and have a spare $40,000...lol
A very specialist car in a very limited market...the bottom has fallen out of the UK market according to Paddy.
As we follow overseas trends, it'll happen here too!

[JoKer]

yup - was/is worth nearly twice that

[avenga]

Yeah Challengers usually go for $60-100K

There is 2 Challengers at $70K and 1 at $60K on Trademe at the moment so $40K is a steal. Especially when you compare it to my Charger which is valued at $25-30K, and US E Body is worth so much more than Aussie Valiant stuff.

[oldschool]

Hey Richard, saw this Charger on TradeMe, but it doesn't look like a proper VH model, no driving lights and 1973 should be the VJ model?
Has a strange chassis number too....ZAVJ8H2267 (from Carjam)

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=444468503

[avenga]

Well from the outside it does look like it could be a '73 base model VH charger, VJ didn't come out until March '73 so you can have '73 VH's and they did come without the driving lights. But with that car I think it is a very long story because it has been butchered and is a mismatch of VH and VJ parts.

First off the nose is VH. Only the R/T and 770's had the driving lights. That grill and headlights are off a base model VH Charger, also the VH had clear indicators while the VJ onwards had orange indicators.

The interior is VJ, VJ had the aluminium fish scale dash while the VH had woodgrain.

Brakes are VJ.

Engine in VJ because it has electronic ignition.

The VIN should have a N on the front so NZAVJ8H2267 for NZ assembled. and VJ in the VIN means it was a VJ and the H means high price range so it was a 770.

Being built in NZ it would have been a 770 so if it was a VH it would have driving lights and if it was a VJ it would have the round lights.

But carjam makes it even more interesting.

It says it is NZ new but if you look at the registration details it says

Registration status: Active
Registration origin: Imported
Vehicle usage: Private Passenger
Cause of latest registration: Used
Date of registration: 1991, February 7th
Was registered overseas?: Yes
Previous country of registration: Other

So it was imported in '91? but it is a NZ assembled car because you can tell because they use a different heater motor and hose setup on NZ cars.

So here is what I think has happened to this car. It started off life as a VJ 770 but then sometime before '91 it was writen off in a front impact crash. They then replaced the whole nose cone with the front of a base model VH Charger, or maybe a ranger etc. Because the VIN was already in use they probably filed off the N and reregistered it as ZAVJ8H2267.

So yeah, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. No history before '91 for a NZ new car alone is enough to sound alarm bells in my head.

[oldschool]

Thx Richard, those shark gills by the back windows look suspect too, aren't the 770's supposed to have vinyl there and between the tail lights too? Would be interesting to look at the car and see if it has the 'N' in front of the 'Z' on the chassis number...maybe a typo in the rego system?
Back in the day write offs weren't recorded in the system and panel beaters often welded cars together and flogged them off to unsuspecting buyers. I bought a fairly new Mini 1275 that had a join across the middle under the seats!
Only found out when my dad rang the last owner asking for the handbook and was told the car had been wrapped around a tree and written off!! Luckily I got my money back from the shonky panel beater who had used his own dad to sell it for him!!

[avenga]

Yes, it should have the vinyl around the windows and over the shark gills, there is no vinyl between the tail lights. On the 770 it was luck if you had a set of shark gills under the vinyl. Sometimes they left the shark gills on and vinyled over the top, and other times they just resined over it and put the vinyl over the top of the resin. The shark gills/vinyl hide some very ugly folds they had to do to get the roof to fit.

I don't know if mine has shark gills or resin under the vinyl but it is quite common for people to remove the vinyl when it gets tatty. Another reason why I wouldn't touch that Charger.

Could have been a typo with the missing N but that doesn't explain why it was first registered in '91 for an NZ new car. Clearly something very bad has happened to that car along it's lifetime and I hope the guy who buys it know enough about Chargers to know how woefully inaccurate it is.

[oldschool]

This guy's asking top dollar for a Charger R/T replica that's been pranged....maybe the plane comes with it??!!

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=446677938

[avenga]

I don't know, it is a pretty awesome replica.

A standard Charger goes for 25-30k. By the time you add in the restoration/cool factor and the webers/reco'd engine etc then it is not too bad, expensive but hella cool.

I don't think he is dreaming all that much, here is a guy who is dreaming though

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/chrysler/coup/auction-407016957.htm

VJ Valiant Regal Coupe $60,000

He also has a Charger, which he "could sell charger for same price"

So yeah $60k for a Hardtop or Charger is just dreaming. Maybe both together for $60k

[oldschool]

Maybe not too bad, we'll see if he gets any bites? At least it's factory VH, not a VJ with a VH front...lol
BTW there's a genuine one owner Charger R/T for sale in Aussie for A$47,500...

http://www.moparmarket.com/classifieds_view.php?classifiedad=35818

[oldschool]

Hey Richard, what's this NZ new R/T Charger worth??!!

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=451985834

[avenga]

Hard to say. It is a base model R/T with a non matching engine so it is not that special in terms of performance, it's not like an E49 with the tripple webers.

It is not numbers matching, in the Q&A he said it has a D331C engine which is a standard 1972 high performance 265 Hemi Automatic like what is in my Charger. My Charger has a numbers matching D331B (Exact same engine but 1971)

Orginally that car had a D343 which was the premium performance 265 with a 3 speed.

First Digit:
All Valiant Hemi engines have a "D" prefix. Chrysler Centura Hemi engines have a "DF" prefix.

Second Digit:
The second digit refers to the size

DIGIT SIZE
1 215 
2 245 
3 265 


Third Digit:
The third digit refers to the performance level

DIGIT PERFORMANCE LEVEL 
1 Low Compression 
2 Standard Performance (1 BBL) 
3 High Performance (2 BBL) 
4 Premium Performance (Pacer, R/T & 770) 
5 Six Pack (E37 & E48) 
6 Six Pack (E38 & E49) 


Fourth Digit:
The fourth digit refers to the gearbox type

DIGIT GEARBOX TYPE 
1 Auto 
3 3 speed manual
4 4 speed manual


Fifth Digit:
The fifth character is the year of manufacture.

DIGIT YEAR OF MANUFACTURE
A 1970 
B 1971 
C 1972
D 1973 
...and so on...